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Catalyst N° 072 of 125 24 Jul 2025

Repurposing EV batteries for grid storage

with Colin Campbell, chief technology officer, Redwood Materials

In this note
  1. 01The question
  2. 02The answer
  3. 03The argument
  4. 04What you need to know first
  5. 05Details worth keeping
  6. 06Claims worth citing
  7. 07Where it’s contested

The question

When is it better to put a worn-out electric vehicle battery back on the grid than to shred it for the materials inside it?

The answer

The choice is a false one, in Campbell’s account. Redwood does both, in sequence: a pack that passes a short inspection goes out to a grid site first and gets recycled afterwards, so the grid stint is additive rather than an alternative use. What changed recently is not the batteries but two things arriving together: enough returning packs to build a business on, and an installation cost low enough that a pack now needs only one or two years and low hundreds of cycles of remaining life to be worth deploying.

03The argument

Kann frames the decision as a fork, and it is the standard framing: an end-of-life pack goes either to materials recycling or to stationary storage, and which one wins is an economic calculation over the value of recovered cathode and anode material against the value of grid services, net of processing or refurbishment cost in each case, with new lithium iron phosphate storage as the competing option. Kann qualifies that competing price: outside the United States it has been a falling knife, while inside it tariffs and similar factors make it more complicated. Historically the fork resolved to recycling. The packs themselves are in better shape than that framing implies. Campbell says they arrive physically almost new, because a vehicle battery is an extremely durable engineered object, and electrically they arrive when the owner gets frustrated rather than when anything fails, typically around 20% less capacity and 20% more impedance. They are predominantly nickel-based NMC cells, because what comes back today is roughly what was built a decade ago.

Campbell’s first move is to reject the fork. Redwood does not choose: it sends the pack to a grid site to earn grid services and then recovers the metals afterwards, which he describes as a detour rather than a destination. That reframing is what makes the economics work, because it means the grid stint does not have to beat recycling, only add to it. The second move is the surprising one. Because the cost of getting a pack onto a grid site is now very low, the amount of useful life a pack needs to have left is correspondingly small, on the order of one to two years and low hundreds of cycles. Kann works out the implication out loud: for that to be true against a new purpose-built system with a ten-year warranty, the fully installed cost of the second-life asset has to be far below the new one. Campbell agrees, and volunteers that he was sceptical of second-life storage until roughly the previous year, on the reasonable grounds that a repurposed object rarely beats something optimized for the job. What changed his mind was the return volume arriving at the same time as a cheap way to install the packs.

The integration cost is the part that fell, and the description is almost anticlimactic. A five-minute electrical inspection checks cell balance and impedance and whether the pack’s internal electronics still report diagnostics; if those come back clean, the pack is wheeled into the field and plugged in. The packs are not opened and the modules are not removed, so the site amounts to a parking lot of electric vehicles with the wheels taken off. Kann presses on the obvious objection, which is that this sounds like something anyone could do. Campbell’s answer is three things rather than one: power electronics designed to talk to an extremely wide variety of pack types and dispatch each sensibly as part of one coherent asset, site mechanical design cheap enough not to eat the margin, and access to the feedstock in the first place, since Redwood already collects north of 80% of end-of-life electric vehicle packs in the United States. The third of those is positional rather than technical, and Campbell says so himself: collecting packs like this is not simple, and what is hard to copy is aggregating a heterogeneous stream arriving from a million places.

That heterogeneity also shapes where these assets fit on the grid. Campbell says second-life packs can compete head to head in the two-hour and four-hour markets, but they shine at longer durations, four to eight hours and possibly as much as twenty. The technical reason is that a pack’s degradation shows up as cell imbalance, and because cells sit in series the whole pack is limited by its weakest member during hard discharge; discharge slowly and that weakness matters much less. Kann correctly points out that this is true of any battery, not just a used one, and that the reason nobody builds twenty-hour lithium-ion projects is economic, since cost scales roughly linearly with duration. Campbell concedes the point directly: it is not a different equation, the energy is simply cheap enough that stacking more of it stays affordable. On scale, the supply curve is unusually predictable because it was set a decade ago by vehicle production. Roughly five gigawatt-hours a year is coming off US roads now against roughly fifty gigawatt-hours of US storage deployed in the prior year, so the retirement stream is about a tenth of deployment; Redwood expects to deploy low single-digit gigawatt-hours of second-life storage this year and next.

04What you need to know first

Second life
Reusing a battery pack substantially intact in a new application before recycling it, as distinct from refurbishing it back into a vehicle or breaking it down for materials. The whole episode turns on second life being a stage rather than a fork.
NMC and LFP
The two dominant lithium-ion cathode families. NMC is the nickel-based chemistry used in most electric vehicles a decade ago and carries more recoverable metal value; LFP is the iron-phosphate chemistry, cheaper, with less metal worth recovering. Returning packs are mostly NMC today and will shift toward LFP as the newer fleet ages out.
C-rate
How fast a battery is charged or discharged relative to its capacity. Campbell’s duration argument depends entirely on it, because a tired pack’s weakest cell constrains it much less at low discharge rates.
Cell balance and impedance
The two electrical health measures in the five-minute inspection. Impedance is internal resistance, which rises as cells age; cell balance is how evenly the cells in a series string have aged.

05Details worth keeping

  • The rest of Redwood’s feedstock is everything else with a cell in it: earbuds, toothbrushes, power banks. Campbell calls it a battery nerd’s fantasy land and says it is too varied to reintegrate, so second life for those streams is not something the company has looked at closely.
  • On how far second life could stretch, he cites what he calls a constitutional distaste for throwing away anything with useful life left. He doubts toothbrushes ever qualify and thinks kilowatt-hour-scale power banks might eventually, but says that is a long way off.
  • On chemistry the power electronics are agnostic: high nickel or iron phosphate, high or low voltage, old or new, all plug in. The economics differ for LFP, with lower metals value and different cycle life, degradation and energy value, but Campbell says the grid detour still makes sense. He gives no numbers for it.
  • Most manufactured battery energy goes into vehicles, which Campbell reads as good news for second life, because vehicle packs are the most robustly engineered and the easiest to redeploy.
  • Kann notes the timing problem in the other direction: because recycling volumes lag manufacturing by about a decade and the electric vehicle inflection came less than ten years ago, the real ramp in available packs arrives over roughly the next five years rather than now.
  • The occasion for the episode is that Redwood, best known as a battery materials recycler, has launched a stationary storage division called Redwood Energy. Kann describes the company as founded by Tesla founder JB Straubel and introduces Campbell as a longtime Tesla veteran.

06Claims worth citing

All figures as stated on 2025-07-24, and all of them from the chief technology officer of a company selling this service. Storage prices, deployment volumes and return volumes all move quickly; the forward-looking figures are company projections rather than results.

  • A returning electric vehicle pack typically shows about a 20% capacity decrease and about a 20% impedance increase. Campbell
  • If the mechanical and electrical inspection comes back clean, about 95% of packs are usable for grid-scale storage. Campbell later reuses “95% of the time” to describe when the grid detour is economically sensible; the two uses are not obviously the same measurement. Campbell
  • A pack needs roughly one to two years and low hundreds of cycles of remaining life for grid deployment to pay. This is stated as the threshold for making economic sense; he never separately states how long the packs actually last once deployed. Campbell
  • Redwood collects north of 80% of end-of-life electric vehicle packs in the United States. Campbell
  • About five gigawatt-hours a year of electric vehicle batteries are coming off US roads, stated on a rated, as-new capacity basis. Discounting 50% to be conservative or 70% to be extremely conservative still leaves gigawatt-hours a year of useful energy. Campbell gives no single available-energy figure. Campbell
  • About 150 gigawatt-hours a year of new electric vehicle production is going into service. He confirms the five gigawatt-hour figure is US-only but does not say whether the 150 is US or global. Campbell
  • About 50 gigawatt-hours of battery energy storage was deployed in the US in the prior year, making the retirement stream roughly a tenth of deployment. Campbell
  • Roughly 80% of manufactured battery energy goes into electric vehicles. Campbell
  • Redwood expects to refurbish and deploy low single-digit gigawatt-hours of second-life storage this year and next. Campbell, company projection
  • Second-life packs can compete in two-hour and four-hour markets and are better suited to four, eight, or possibly twenty hours. Campbell
  • A new fully delivered LFP storage project at a couple of hundred dollars per kilowatt-hour with a ten-year warranty life. Kann, explicitly a guess

07Where it’s contested

  • The guest states his own prior scepticism plainly. Campbell says he was always a little sceptical that second-life storage could compete with a purpose-built product, and that it only started to make sense in about the last year, on the back of return volumes and the low-cost integration method arriving together. That is a recent reversal, not a settled position.
  • Kann’s sharpest push goes to where the innovation actually is. If the process is a five-minute check and a plug, anyone could do it. Campbell’s answer is at least as much a statement about Redwood’s position in the collection market as about a technical breakthrough.
  • The 95% figure carries a condition that is easy to drop. It applies to packs whose inspection comes back clean, not to all incoming packs.
  • The volume figures need care. The five gigawatt-hours is rated rather than available capacity, and Campbell offers two different haircuts without settling on one.
  • Second-life LFP is a forecast, not a result. Those packs have not started arriving. Campbell says the economics differ but still work, without numbers and without deployment experience behind it.
  • Nothing in the episode is independent measurement. No third-party performance data, no degradation data from deployed second-life sites, no warranty, insurance or safety terms, and no customers are named. The framing as a two-way decision tree comes from Kann’s opening monologue and is overturned by the guest within a few minutes.
  • Campbell hesitates to generalize. Asked to confirm the tidy rule that vehicle packs end up on the grid and everything else gets recycled, he explicitly declines to commit.

Cite as: “Repurposing EV batteries for grid storage,” The Energy Transition for the Rest of Us, note on Catalyst with Shayle Kann, July 24, 2025. CC BY 4.0. View the Markdown