Catalyst N° 056 of 125 20 Mar 2025
The coming robotics wave
with Andy Lubershane, partner and head of research, Energy Impact Partners
In this note
The question
Robots are not new and neither is the labor shortage, so why has robotics suddenly become interesting in energy and climate, and where would it matter most?
The answer
What changed is the supply side, not the demand side. Labor scarcity has been a slow grind for years; what is new is that artificial intelligence can train robots to work in messy, unstructured settings, and that nearly every physical component of a robot has gotten much cheaper. Lubershane’s bet is on narrow, single-purpose robots in manufacturing and especially in the field construction of energy assets, with utility-scale solar installation the best-fitting target.
03The argument
Start with why anyone in this sector wants robots, which is labor. Lubershane points to three trends that are not reversing soon: fewer young people being born in advanced economies, the likelihood of a more restrictive United States immigration environment closing off the route by which the country had escaped that demographic squeeze, and labor productivity that has been flat for 10 to 15 years in manufacturing and declining for a decade in construction. Then Kann presses on how binding that constraint actually is. He says he has heard endless complaints that labor is hard to find, but has never heard anyone say a project failed because the workers could not be found, and Lubershane agrees he has not either. What both see instead is rising wages, high turnover and a general drag on cost. That is a real headwind, but a slow one, and Kann draws the consequence: nothing about it would trigger a wave of deployment unless the machines themselves changed.
They did, on two tracks at once. On capability, generative AI has begun to produce robots trained to handle unstructured tasks rather than the deterministic ones factory arms have done for decades, and Lubershane points to Google’s PaLM-E model and to a Stanford group’s low-cost Mobile ALOHA system as the seminal work. That matters because this sector’s real work happens outdoors, where nothing can be programmed move by move. On cost, everything inside a robot has gotten cheaper: the chips to run the models, laser ranging sensors (lidar) that he puts at roughly 90% cheaper over 15 years thanks largely to autonomous vehicle investment, electric actuators for the joints, and batteries. Kann draws out the economics that follow, and Lubershane agrees with them. With capital cost that low, a robot priced at or near what the human-labor alternative would have cost pays back remarkably fast, but only if utilization is high. That leaves three open questions rather than one: whether the pricing holds, how much the machine actually gets used, and whether it is reliable enough to trust. Electrification compounds the effect, since an electric drivetrain costs less to run and needs less maintenance than an engine or hydraulics, which supports the high utilization the payback math depends on.
Kann then supplies the counterweight, and Lubershane partly concedes it. Substituting capital for labor is exactly the wrong trade when interest rates are high, because the whole cost now has to be financed, and rising electricity prices cut against a technology that is itself a form of electrification. Lubershane agrees cost of capital is the bigger of the two, and says the market’s answer is the robotics-as-a-service model, where the producer keeps the asset and sells the service, absorbing the financing and raising utilization by spreading one machine across several customers. Kann is careful to call both headwinds marginal and possibly transient rather than blocking: he has heard nobody say they would have automated a task but for the price of power.
Which leaves the question of where this works first, and the sorting principle is how long the tail of strange situations is. A robot bolted to a factory floor sits at one end, a self-driving car in San Francisco at the other, and field construction in the middle. That is why Lubershane calls a utility-scale solar project the perfect frontier: the work is nearly identical across thousands of acres, yet slope, ground moisture and the mounting hardware vary enough that it cannot be scripted, so it needs the new AI without needing a machine that can handle anything at all. He hedges that as the frontier “today,” not a permanent ranking. The tail is still real, and Kann’s example is a one-month pilot in the southwest that met 110-degree heat, high winds, sleet and ice inside that single month. On top of the technology sits a commercial hypothesis: a company building a vertical robot has to get units into the field early, learn the exceptions, and come down the cost and performance curve fast enough that a follower arriving two or three years later cannot catch up. Lubershane prefers that bet to the alternatives. General-purpose humanoids are, by his estimate, at least one and perhaps two orders of magnitude harder, even though individual humanoid companies have raised hundreds of millions and in some cases billions. He holds the emerging robotic foundation models at arm’s length too, doubting both their long-term moat and whether sophisticated robot builders will hand that layer to a third party.
04What you need to know first
- Physical AI
- Kann’s framing term for the whole area: AI applied to atoms rather than bits. He distinguishes it explicitly from AI’s effect on electricity consumption, which he treats as a separate subject.
- Structured versus unstructured environments
- A structured setting is one where the same motion works every time, which is what existing industrial robots do. Unstructured means the surroundings vary, which is what the new training methods are supposed to unlock.
- Vertical robots
- A term Lubershane takes from the investment firm F Prime’s annual robotics report: machines built for one specific job in one sector, as opposed to a general-purpose robot.
- Robotics as a service
- Selling the work rather than the machine. The producer owns the robot, carries the financing, and can raise utilization by moving one unit between customers.
05Details worth keeping
- The transmission example is the sharpest one. An EIP portfolio company the transcript renders as InVision pairs a specialized quadcopter drone with a ground-based system to string transmission conductor. Kann’s observation is that it replaces not a person but a person in a helicopter, and that the richest targets are tasks society has over-engineered because heavy equipment was the only option. Lubershane adds that a helicopter near a transmission tower is simultaneously under-engineered; he believes people have been killed installing conductor in those settings over the years, and thinks avoiding such incidents is part of why the company was founded in Australia. Both points are hedged as his impression rather than stated as established.
- Wind turbines show the maturity gradient. Drone inspection has real traction, because the alternative is sending someone up a 100-meter tower to rope out onto a blade. The newer step is machines doing actual blade maintenance, which a handful of companies are attempting.
- Vegetation management is a live market. An EIP company transcribed as SI Motors makes an autonomous electric commercial mower, and specialized versions are being built to work under solar panels, where vegetation control is one of the larger operating expenses on a large project.
- Wildfire mitigation is the newest entrant, covering robotic clearing and burning of overgrowth near power equipment to prevent ignition, plus a drone doing forest thinning that also collects woody biomass.
- The most interesting picks-and-shovels idea is simulation software with realistic physics engines. Training a robot has no equivalent of the internet to learn from, so data has to be collected by a machine physically doing things in real time at real cost, and good simulation would relieve that.
- Company names above are as the machine transcript renders them. It garbles proper nouns elsewhere, so check spellings before repeating them.
06Claims worth citing
All figures as stated on 2025-03-20. Component costs and AI capability were moving quickly at the time, so treat cost and capability figures as point-in-time rather than current.
- Labor productivity flat for 10 to 15 years in manufacturing and declining for about a decade in construction; no source given. Lubershane
- Lidar costs down roughly 90% over 15 years, hedged with “I think,” driven largely by autonomous vehicle investment. Lubershane
- Hundreds of thousands and now millions of industrial robots installed worldwide, mostly arms doing deterministic factory tasks. Lubershane
- Solar modules now weigh roughly 80 to 100 pounds; a 700-watt module is 80-plus pounds and takes two and often three people to lift. Lubershane on the weight range, Kann on the wattage and crew size
- Hundreds of millions of dollars, and in some cases billions, invested in individual humanoid robot companies, with Tesla named as the most prominent. Lubershane
- General-purpose humanoids at least one and maybe a couple of orders of magnitude harder than specialized robotics as a service. Lubershane
- Vegetation management is one of the larger operations and maintenance expenses on large solar projects. Lubershane
- A one-month robot pilot in the US southwest encountered 110-degree heat, high winds, sleet and ice within that month. Kann
- Neither speaker has heard of a project failing because labor could not be found. Kann, agreed by Lubershane
- Research cited as the turn: Google’s PaLM-E, published “a year and a half or so ago,” and Stanford’s Mobile ALOHA, two arms on a push cart trained by new methods. Lubershane
07Where it’s contested
- The labor premise is weaker than the framing suggests. Both speakers say the shortage shows up as wages and turnover, not as projects that failed, so the demand case is a cost trend rather than a demonstrated hard constraint.
- Almost nothing here is demonstrated at scale. What carries evidence is deterministic factory automation and drone inspection. Solar installation, blade maintenance and wildfire work are described as promising, as a handful of companies, or as a one-month pilot. The line between what has been shown and what is projected does real work in this episode.
- Lubershane is deliberately skeptical about AI generally. He calls himself a contrarian, says he was not excited by large language models, and grants them only “next level” rather than transformational value even now. His robotics interest is framed partly as a search for where AI does more than that.
- The first-mover data moat is a hypothesis, not a finding. It is stated as what a vertical robotics company would need to be true, with no example offered of a company that has established such a lead.
- He is openly unsure about robotic foundation models, doubting both the moat and whether robot builders would cede that part of the value chain.
- Cost of capital and power prices are acknowledged headwinds, and the two men weight them differently. Kann raises both, calls them marginal and possibly transient, and notes he has heard nobody decline to automate because power cost too much. Lubershane agrees “especially on cost of capital” and calls that the bigger constraint and a real concern; he does not adopt the word marginal.
- ”The robotic revolution” is Kann’s framing, not Lubershane’s. Kann treats the wave as a tide already running and asks what might slow it. Lubershane argues from tailwinds and company examples and does not make the inevitability claim himself.