Catalyst N° 064 of 125 29 May 2025
How geothermal gets built
with Carl Hoiland, co-founder and CEO, Zanskar
In this note
The question
What does it actually take to find and develop a geothermal project, and why is the process finally getting faster?
The answer
Geothermal stalled for decades not because the heat was missing but because the industry could not reliably find it, and the failures scared off the capital. Two things changed: better methods for locating resources that give no surface clue, and the option of engineering permeability into hot rock that lacks it. On top sits a permitting change. Hoiland says a project that historically took five to ten years could now be done in three to four, which he calls realistic where the regulatory framework is clear rather than demonstrated, and the near-term resource is still confined to roughly the western third of the country, because drilling depth drives the cost.
03The argument
The first boom died of exploration risk. US geothermal power starts in the 1960s at the Geysers field in northern California, scales faster than any other renewable of its era, reaches gigawatts of capacity through the 1980s, then essentially stops for two decades. A modest revival in the late 2000s and early 2010s added hundreds of megawatts, much of it offsetting declines at the older steam fields rather than adding net capacity. Two things killed it. The early technology could only use very high temperature steam, around 200 Celsius and often hotter, and such places are rare; resources get more abundant the further down the temperature scale you go, which is where the technology could not follow. The bigger problem was that developers kept drilling into what looked like sure things and coming up empty.
Why they came up empty is the counterintuitive part. The planet gets hotter with depth everywhere, typically around 25 Celsius per kilometer, so an ordinary site needs four or five kilometers of drilling to reach steam temperatures. What makes a commercial resource is either volcanic heat brought close to the surface or, across much of the western United States, fractures and permeable zones that convect hot water upward from depth. Hot springs are one visible manifestation of that, but they are the outliers. Most convective systems are blind: no spring, no volcano, nothing at the surface, and historically they were found by drilling into them by accident. So the industry’s founding heuristic, drill where it steams, was selecting on a weak signal. The Geysers happened to be the case where the surface sign sat on a world-class resource, and Hoiland thinks it unlikely another gigawatt-scale conventional field of that type remains undiscovered in the US. Oil companies including Chevron, Unocal, Phillips and Hunt spent hundreds of millions in the late 1970s and early 1980s drilling test holes every few miles looking for another Geysers, never found one, and in the process stumbled onto smaller systems only now being developed. That failure split the industry’s response, much of it funded by the Department of Energy, into two paths: get better at finding the blind systems, or stop depending on finding them by engineering the missing ingredients in place.
That distinction organizes everything after it. A conventional, or hydrothermal, resource needs three things naturally present: enough heat to boil the working fluid, permeability so fluid can circulate through the rock, and water to do the circulating. Enhanced geothermal systems came out of the recognition that plenty of wells were hot but had no permeability or no water, so the rock can be stimulated to create flow paths and the water added. Hoiland’s analogy is conventional versus unconventional oil and gas: whether you can drill a well and have what you need, or must modify the subsurface. Either way the development sequence is the same ladder of narrowing uncertainty. Cheap shallow geophysics picks the targets. Temperature gradient holes, a few hundred to a thousand feet at tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars, confirm heat is present. A conceptual model of what drives the system, volcanic, sedimentary or fault-hosted, guides where to go deeper. Then slim wells at a few thousand feet and one to four million dollars each test whether the resource will actually flow, followed by a flow test long enough to show the flow holds up. Each step costs more and tightens the distribution of outcomes, and the classic historical failure was skipping the slim well entirely and putting a five, ten or fifteen million dollar production well into rock that turned out to be hot but dry.
Even a flowing well does not finish the job, because what makes a project financeable is the decline rate, and that cannot be measured until the injection well exists. Extraction cools the water, and the reinjected water has to pick the heat back up from the rock before it returns. Spacing the wells is the art: too far apart and the water may never come back while reservoir pressure drains away, too close and it returns before it has reheated. Only with both wells running can you build the reservoir model that says what a second or third well pair would do to the decline. That data-then-decide rhythm is one of two reasons projects historically took over five years and sometimes ten. The other was permitting: five separate National Environmental Policy Act reviews on federal land. Exploration activities have recently been granted a categorical exclusion, meaning that class of work no longer needs its own environmental review, with reform of the construction stage only potentially ahead. Stripped to the bare bones, Hoiland gets one to two years to explore and confirm plus one and a half to two to build and interconnect, so three to four years total, which he says is now realistic in certain states. What does not loosen is geography. Near-term technology, conventional and enhanced alike, still needs tectonically active or high heat flow ground, about a third of most continental land masses, because drilling is the primary cost driver and shallower heat is cheaper heat. Cheaper drilling, or strong enough demand for clean firm power, would widen that, on a timeline he puts on the order of decades.
04What you need to know first
- Conventional (hydrothermal) versus enhanced geothermal systems
- Conventional means heat, permeability and water are all naturally present. Enhanced means stimulating the rock to create permeability, and sometimes supplying the water, where only the heat is there.
- Dry hole, or exploration risk
- Drilling a well that finds heat but no way to move fluid through the rock. The defining failure of the industry’s first boom and the reason financing dried up.
- Temperature gradient hole
- A cheap shallow hole drilled only to measure how fast temperature rises with depth, used to infer what is deeper. The first physical test in the sequence.
- Decline rate
- How fast output falls as heat is drawn out faster than the rock recharges it. Set largely by the spacing between production and injection wells, and the thing a bankable reservoir model exists to predict.
05Details worth keeping
- Most modern western US plants are binary: the resource is too cool to drive a turbine directly, so heat passes through an exchanger into a working fluid such as isobutane or isopentane that boils lower, and that fluid drives the turbine.
- Electricity is not the only product. Europe is looking at repowering district heating with underground hot water, Boise and Klamath Falls already run geothermal district heating, and Zanskar is working with large mining companies on industrial heat.
- Interpretation thresholds have loosened with experience. Early explorers used crude rules, effectively “if it isn’t boiling I’m not interested,” because there were too few successes or failures to calibrate against. Weaker anomalies now justify drilling deeper.
- Shallow readings can lie. Large parts of Idaho have deep resources invisible in the first few hundred or thousand feet because cold groundwater sweeps through and masks them; in drier areas the anomaly above a system is usually distinct.
- Reservoir modeling uses chemical tracers injected into wells to time how long water takes to travel from injection back to production, alongside flow and pressure data. Hoiland describes the resulting models as bankable.
- Zanskar’s example of speed is brownfield. It acquired the Lightning Dock field in New Mexico in May 2024, a field widely thought to have little upside left, then permitted, designed and drilled a new production well into a zone four times deeper than the prior production zone, built pipelines and electrical work, installed new line shaft pumps and tied it into the grid inside twelve months.
- Kann’s framing at the top: geothermal is having a moment, with hyperscaler interest, Fervo Energy holding power purchase agreements with utilities and with Google for hundreds of megawatts, and Energy Secretary Chris Wright talking about geothermal favorably relative to other renewables, set against a House-passed budget bill that in his reading cuts geothermal alongside wind and solar.
06Claims worth citing
All figures as stated on 2025-05-29 and attributed to the speakers rather than independently verified. Drilling costs move with the oil and gas rig market, and the permitting and tax-credit picture was explicitly mid-process at recording, with the House bill not yet through the Senate.
- Typical geothermal gradient around 25 Celsius per kilometer, so four to five kilometers to reach steam temperatures in an ordinary location. Hoiland
- Early geothermal plants needed roughly 200 Celsius and often higher. Hoiland
- Temperature gradient holes run from a hundred feet to a thousand and cost tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands, to test a target area. Hoiland
- Slim wells reach a few thousand feet, as much as five or six thousand, at roughly one to two million dollars, or three to four for complex wells. Hoiland
- Historic dry holes were production wells costing five, ten or fifteen million dollars, drilled into hot rock with no permeability or porosity. Hoiland
- A single large-diameter production well at about 8,000 feet at Zanskar’s New Mexico plant produces about 15 megawatts net, roughly enough for 15,000 homes around the clock. Kann’s reply is transcribed as “50 megawatts,” a transcription slip. Hoiland
- Historic project timelines ran over five years and often as much as ten from start to commercial operation, including five National Environmental Policy Act reviews on federal land. Hoiland
- Bare-bones timeline today: one to two years to explore and confirm, one and a half to two to construct and interconnect, so three to four years where regulatory frameworks are clear enough. Hoiland
- Lightning Dock, New Mexico: acquired May 2024, new production well permitted, drilled and grid-connected in under twelve months. Hoiland, on his own company’s project
- Near-term geothermal technology is limited to tectonically active or high heat flow areas, about a third of most continental land masses. Hoiland
- US resource potential across near-term enhanced and conventional geothermal together: hundreds of gigawatts to terawatts, which he compares to the entire Gulf of Mexico from an oil perspective. Conventional alone: tens of gigawatts, by some estimates a hundred gigawatts or more, with no first-of-a-kind technology risk. Hoiland
- Fervo Energy holds power purchase agreements with utilities and with Google for hundreds of megawatts of new development. Kann
- US geothermal reached gigawatts of installed capacity through the 1980s; the late 2000s and early 2010s added hundreds of megawatts, much of it offsetting losses at earlier steam fields. The hundreds-of-megawatts figure is Kann’s, put to Hoiland, who did not dispute it and called the net addition meaningful but relatively minor. Hoiland and Kann
07Where it’s contested
- The resource numbers span an order of magnitude and are presented that way. “Hundreds of gigawatts to terawatts” is a range, not an estimate, and the conventional-only figure moves from tens of gigawatts to “by some estimates a hundred gigawatts or more” within a sentence. Useful as a claim about scale, weak as a citation.
- The strongest claim in the episode goes unchallenged. Hoiland says that over the next five to ten years there is a chance to add more low-cost firm renewable energy with geothermal than with any other competitive form. He runs a geothermal company, offers no supporting numbers, and Kann does not push. It closes the episode, which lends it more weight than its support.
- The fast timelines are conditional, and the evidence is the guest’s own company. Three to four years applies only in certain locations and states where regulation is clear. The under-twelve-month example is a brownfield acquisition with an operating plant already on site, which Hoiland says explicitly, and the four-year greenfield figure is a belief about Zanskar’s own project areas rather than a delivered result.
- Permitting relief is partial. The categorical exclusion covers exploration and confirmation. Reform covering the construction stage is described as potentially ahead, not as having happened.
- Shallow temperature readings are only “directionally” reliable. Hoiland agrees with Kann’s intuition that a shallow gradient predicts deeper temperatures, then qualifies it: groundwater movement can obscure the signal entirely in wetter regions.
- The policy optimism is the host’s, not the guest’s. Kann weighs the opening case himself and concludes the case for geothermal is the stronger one. Hoiland is never asked about the legislation and does not address it.