Catalyst N° 079 of 125 25 Sep 2025
Ag residue and carbon removal
with Peter Reinhardt, co-founder and CEO, Charm Industrial
In this note
The question
Crop residue is abundant, expensive to collect and a poor fuel. What is it actually good for, and what would it take to get it off the field economically?
The answer
Use it for its carbon, not its energy. Per kilogram, biomass holds about a third the energy of crude oil but is unusually carbon-rich, so the best uses are the ones that want the carbon atom: carbon removal, iron making, aviation fuel, plastics and asphalt, which Reinhardt groups together rather than ranking. Collection is the binding constraint on supply, and his answer is to convert the material in the field rather than haul it to a central plant, which is his company’s thesis and is currently being run at two tons a day.
03The argument
The resource is enormous and almost entirely unused. Reinhardt objects to calling it waste; underutilized is his word. Corn is the clearest case: roughly 90 to 95 million acres are grown in the United States each year, and at a few dry tons of stover an acre that comes to something like 400 megatons a year of stalks, leaves and cobs that mostly rot back into the atmosphere. But none of it is uniform, and that is the first real constraint. How much you can take depends on where you are, somewhere between 30% and 70% by his account, and the reason flips sign geographically. Far north, soils stay wet and frozen into spring, so clearing residue helps farmers plant. On the western Great Plains, residue is what holds soil moisture, so you want to leave more of it. The resource is real, but it is conditional before a single bale exists.
Then the collection economics, which is where most attempts have died. Getting stover off a field means windrowing it into piles, baling, stacking the bales, moving them to the field edge, loading a truck, driving and unloading, and every one of those steps is a machine to buy, fuel and staff. The cost lands on that chain rather than on the farmer. His example is the Abengoa Hugoton cellulosic ethanol plant in western Kansas, which he says failed because it was hauling biomass 50 to 100 miles. It expected to pay around $60 a ton and found itself paying north of $120, with the farmer receiving perhaps low tens of dollars and the rest consumed by consolidation and transport. The physical reason is not what most people assume. Stover field-dries to 15% or 20% moisture, so water is not the problem; volume is. The material is fluffy enough that a trailer runs out of space long before it runs out of weight. Wood behaves differently, and wildfire thinnings can arrive at 50% water, where half the load genuinely is dead weight.
That inverts the design question. If the material cannot be economically brought to a plant, the plant has to go to the material and convert it into something transportable. Raw biomass sits at 100 to 200 kilograms per cubic meter, pelleting gets it to maybe 400 to 600, and bio-oil is 1,200, which he puts at roughly a tenfold consolidation once the unusable mass is stripped out and, more to the point, a pumpable liquid that fills a tanker by weight instead of by volume. The obvious objection is that going mobile gives up economies of scale on the conversion step, and Reinhardt’s answer has two parts. The economy that matters is labor, since the same crew runs a two-ton-per-day unit or a twenty-ton-per-day one, and that larger machine is what Charm is working toward. And pyrolysis, he thinks, benefits less than most chemical processes from enormous reactors, because it is heat in and heat out, closer to surface-to-surface scaling than the surface-to-volume scaling that makes world-scale chemical vessels cheap per unit of throughput. He claims Charm’s capital cost per ton is already under half that of state-of-the-art fixed pyrolysis plants, and says the number surprised him. He also marks where the logic stops: past a combine-sized machine you inherit permitting, balance of plant and site-specific risk, you build far fewer units and each is bespoke, and the unit economics break.
Only then does highest-and-best-use become answerable, and the answer follows from what biomass actually is. Because its distinguishing property is carbon rather than energy, the historical uses of biomass have been using the wrong attribute: industrial heat, power generation and ethanol all treat a carbon-rich, energy-poor material as fuel. The better fits are carbon removal, which monetizes the carbon directly, iron making, where reducing iron oxide really wants carbon monoxide and the hydrogen route is endothermic and harder to run reliably, aviation fuel, where he says there are few good dense energy carriers for long-haul flight, and structural uses such as plastics and asphalt. Reinhardt attributes the same framing to World Resources Institute analysis, hedged with “I think.” Why history went the other way is mostly market maturity, plus the fact that biomass energy is usually a concentrated stream a facility already has on hand and may as well burn. Kann adds that ethanol is a market conjured into existence by tax credits rather than by economics, and Reinhardt partly pushes back, noting there are food and geopolitical reasons to grow corn at that scale. Kann then turns the conversation from what the material is best for to whether anyone will buy the result, and puts a thesis to Reinhardt: that a large latent appetite for carbon removal is being held back by distrust of legacy offsets, and that trust plus co-benefits would release it. Reinhardt answers “I think so” and nothing more. What he argues for himself is narrower. He was a burned offset buyer before he was a seller, so Charm publishes a delivery ledger, and he points to co-benefits such as wildfire reduction and orphaned-well cleanup that he says other removal approaches lack. He expects buyers to arrive in order of profit per ton of emissions, which is a claim about who can afford removal rather than about how much demand exists.
04What you need to know first
- Corn stover
- Everything the plant produces except the kernels: stalks, leaves and, depending on harvest method, cobs. The kernels are what corn is grown for; the stover is what is left in the field.
- Pyrolysis
- Heating biomass without oxygen so it decomposes into liquid, char and gas rather than burning. It is the step Charm performs in the field to turn bulky residue into a dense, pumpable bio-oil.
- Cubing out versus weighing out
- Freight is limited by whichever runs out first, space or weight. Biomass runs out of space first, which is why transport dominates its cost and why density is the whole game.
- Permanent carbon removal
- Carbon taken out of the atmosphere and stored so it stays stored, sold as a delivered ton. It is distinct from the older voluntary offset market, where the product was usually avoided emissions and, in both speakers’ view, poorly verified.
05Details worth keeping
- Heterogeneity is not what it sounds like. Reinhardt says the problem is not continuous variability but rare edge cases at volume: a rock lodged in a branch, or the industry story about a bale with a handgun in it. Moisture variation matters more, as does shape, since long twigs bridge and jam equipment in a way that the same mass of rounded chips does not.
- Charm’s Colorado feedstock is wildfire-prevention thinnings from Colorado State Forest Service and US Forest Service programs, material the contractors would otherwise pile and burn.
- Aggregation can be done well: he names Pacific Ag’s large operation in the panhandle region.
- Cellulosic ethanol from stover exists but, in his words, never really took off.
- Reinhardt came to this as a frustrated buyer. While running his software company Segment, which sold in 2020, he bought roughly $20,000 of Indonesian and Amazon rainforest offsets to cover the company’s emissions, and later could not determine which acres he had protected, whether they still stood, or whether the purchase had done anything. Charm’s answer is a public ledger with a per-delivery history and the origin of the biomass, which he calls a poor version zero; he wants photographic evidence of every step, like a delivery app photographing the handoff.
- On buyers, Kann sketches the market as Microsoft first, the Stripe-led Frontier coalition an order of magnitude behind, and much smaller purchasers after that, with most suppliers pre-selling tons rather than delivering them.
- The marginal-abatement argument is the most useful one for anyone selling removal. Companies that have already bought clean electricity and done the easy reductions reach embodied emissions in their buildings, where abatement can run around $2,000 a ton, at which point purchased removal starts to look cheap.
06Claims worth citing
All figures as stated on 2025-09-25. Carbon removal prices, volumes and buyer composition move quickly, and the company-specific numbers come from the chief executive describing his own operation.
- Roughly 90 to 95 million acres of corn grown annually in the US, producing on the order of 400 megatons a year of stover that goes unused. The per-acre figure is garbled in the transcript; the total implies a few dry tons an acre. Reinhardt
- Kann’s opening monologue cites a Department of Energy study from a couple of years earlier estimating agricultural residue at about 200 million dry tons a year. That is roughly half Reinhardt’s corn-stover-only figure, and the two are never reconciled on air. Department of Energy study, cited by Kann
- Roughly five gigatons of this biomass globally that rots or burns today. Reinhardt
- Abengoa Hugoton: biomass hauled 50 to 100 miles, budgeted at about $60 a ton delivered, actually north of $120, with low tens of dollars a ton reaching the farmer. Reinhardt
- Corn stover field-dries to 15% to 20% moisture; wildfire thinning wood is often around 50% water. Reinhardt
- Bulk density: 100 to 200 kilograms per cubic meter raw, 400 to 600 pelletized, 1,200 for bio-oil. Reinhardt
- Charm operates two-ton-per-day systems today and is working toward roughly 20 tons per day at similar labor. Reinhardt
- Charm’s capital cost per ton is claimed at less than half that of state-of-the-art pyrolysis facilities, on his own calculation. Reinhardt
- Biomass holds about one third the energy of crude oil per kilogram. Reinhardt
- Residue removal rates of roughly 30% to 70% depending on agricultural zone. Reinhardt
- Abatement of embodied building emissions can cost around $2,000 a ton for companies that have exhausted cheaper options. Reinhardt
- Charm’s buyers started in technology, meaning large software companies, artificial intelligence firms and hyperscale data center operators. He reports a lot of activity in banking and financial services, a number of consulting firms as customers, and early movement in advanced manufacturing, naming aircraft, chips and pharmaceuticals. Reinhardt
- Charm has delivered more permanent carbon removal tons than anyone else in the world, “or at least that was true at one point.” This comes from the host, and Reinhardt neither confirms nor expands on it. Kann
07Where it’s contested
- Two scale figures conflict and nobody notices. Kann’s cited Department of Energy estimate puts all agricultural residue near 200 million dry tons a year; Reinhardt puts corn stover alone near 400 megatons. The categories may differ, gross production versus recoverable supply being the obvious candidate, but neither speaker addresses it, so anything built on either number should be checked.
- The load-bearing commercial claim gets the thinnest answer in the episode. Asked whether there is real latent demand for carbon removal waiting to be unlocked by trust and co-benefits, Reinhardt answers “I think so” and offers no volumes, pipeline or evidence. Kann supplies most of that framing and Reinhardt agrees with it rather than arguing it.
- The capital cost comparison is the guest’s own. The claim that Charm is already under half the capital cost per ton of state-of-the-art pyrolysis is his own calculation against unnamed facilities, and the 20-ton-per-day machine is a target rather than an operating system. No delivered cost per ton of carbon dioxide and no removal price appear anywhere in the conversation.
- How much residue can sustainably be removed is left open. The 30% to 70% range is a regional judgment about soil moisture and spring planting, and the fraction of that 400 megatons actually available is never determined.
- Ranking carbon removal as the single highest use is Kann’s move, not the guest’s. Kann says that if you care about emissions, removal beats even the other carbon-using applications. Reinhardt never ranks them; he lists removal, iron, aviation fuel, plastics and asphalt together as the uses that exploit carbon, and says removal is simply the market Charm entered first.
- Reinhardt pushes back on the host twice, rejecting the word waste in favor of underutilized, and qualifying Kann’s framing of ethanol as purely a tax-credit artifact by adding food supply and geopolitics as real reasons.
- The interview is friendly and Kann says so. He introduces Reinhardt as a friend and shares his own strong prior that the legacy voluntary offset market is a disaster. He does press hard on the scale economics of going mobile, but nothing here is adversarial.