Critical Capital N° 008 of 11 4 Aug 2026
Thom Tillis on energy, China, and leaving the Senate
with Thom Tillis, United States Senator (Republican, North Carolina), not seeking re-election; formerly speaker in the North Carolina legislature and a partner at Price Waterhouse
In this note
The question
Why can’t the United States hold an energy policy together across a change of administration, and what would it take to build one that survives?
The answer
Tillis treats the ideological standoff as a precondition rather than one problem among several: until both “drill, baby, drill” and its mirror image on the other side are discredited as unserious, the serious conversation cannot begin. He distributes blame across both parties, is blunt that the current administration’s abrupt cancellations stranded capital and will show up in electricity rates, and is equally blunt that the one bipartisan opening he identifies, on critical minerals, will not produce an outcome in this Congress.
03The argument
His diagnosis starts with the institution rather than with energy. Eleven years in the Senate have convinced him that populism has arrived permanently, which he attributes to Barack Obama creating its modern form at the same moment social media changed how news travels, with social media as both amplifier and sustainer. Previous populist eras were built around a personality and burned out within an administration or two; this one, on his account, will not. The consequence for legislating is that sustaining coalitions are hard to build and everything has become transactional. Pundits and social media get inside decision cycles fast enough to create friction, and members retreat to their partisan corners. His working model of a vote is three levers, conscience, constituents and conference, and the job is figuring out which will move a given colleague.
Applied to energy, this produces a position with two halves that a summary would flatten into one. His template is the North Carolina renewable portfolio standard he negotiated as a freshman in the permanent minority, having warned Democrats that a California-modeled version would not work and offered to get in a room and bring Republicans along. What he objects to now is not that subsidies are ending. He says he was already persuadable on ramping the solar credit down and that it is time for solar subsidies to find a sunset; the objection is that it was done too early and too precipitously, with collateral damage. Wind projects cancelled at 70, 80 or 90 percent complete send what he calls a horrible signal and strand costs. He immediately applies the same standard in the other direction, and the target is selective outrage: the people who denounce the cancellation of an Orsted project and tell him he is right about it said nothing when the pipeline he calls XL was killed, which he says pulled two billion dollars of capital back out of the ground. Both parties own where things now stand. His sharpest charge is about business literacy rather than ideology. Whoever cancelled these projects, he suspects, never asked what happens to the forward power purchase agreements behind them, where electrons were already committed to meeting a share of aggregate demand that now has to be met some other way, at the same moment new demand is arriving that cannot possibly be serviced just by traditional generation. He says some of the rate spikes people are seeing will trace back to the administration taking generation assets offline.
On China he breaks with his own party’s instinct twice. He thinks countering China by manufacturing everything domestically is not sustainable for an economy as developed as the American one, and would not survive a change of administration anyway, because brute-forcing industries home only holds if the same priorities persist across presidencies. What he wants instead is a universe of supply chain links near-shore, ideally in this hemisphere, built on relationships that benefit the neighborhood; “Fortress America,” he says, is both unsustainable and not strategic. The exception is anything mineable. The minerals-extraction strategy has to be environmentally sustainable but indigenous, and he has worked for years on a lithium spodumene deposit about forty-five minutes outside Charlotte, one of the largest in North America, where the permits are in hand and the prices are not there to justify developing it. The obstacle he singles out is local: China-hating conservatives who do not want a lithium mine, notwithstanding that this one would be among the most sophisticated electrically driven mining operations ever built and would process on site rather than shipping ore out. He agrees there is a real bipartisan opening here, since one side wants clean battery supply chains and the other wants security of supply, and then closes it off: with 172 days left in this Congress and fewer than 55 of them scheduled legislative days, in an election year, he sees no outcome beyond missionary work, and says this administration will not budge on the near-shoring point.
The constructive half of his prescription is a two-track grid plan and a light touch on AI, and both return to the sequencing claim. On the grid he wants a short and intermediate plan built on technology that exists or can reasonably be expected to arrive on schedule, and alongside it something he calls a Manhattan Project for a capability nobody is currently thinking about. Separately, on what incubators should be pointed at, he asks how to prioritize next-generation wire, if it is wire, or other forms of low-resistance media that would get more of what is generated to the user and eliminate loss. He raises the standard objection himself, that government should not pick winners, and answers it by distinguishing picking one from placing a few hedged bets. He wanted North Carolina to have the most resilient and hardened grid in the country, on the theory that reliability is a site-selection differentiator for data centers and advanced manufacturing, and thinks that should now be a national ambition alongside distributed generation and efficiency. On AI he wants the industry to converge on its own standards body with certification, so buyers can distinguish good actors from the unproven, and a light federal framework quickly, before some sympathetic tragedy produces what he calls a Dodd-Frank for AI that takes years to dig out of while international competitors gain ground. He points at several dozen states already regulating and at Europe’s data privacy regime, which he names only by its initials and calls a failure that had to be fixed after the fact. But none of it, he argues, can start before the ideological argument is finished. He reaches for project management language: this is a finish-to-start relationship, and the first task is getting people to accept that none of these technologies is evil and all of them are necessary.
04What you need to know first
- Renewable portfolio standard
- A state law requiring utilities to source a set share of their power from renewable generation. He expands the term himself, and the North Carolina version he negotiated is the policy he returns to as proof that a negotiated, durable design is possible.
- Power purchase agreement
- A forward contract under which a buyer commits to purchase a specific project’s output. He expands it on air, and his argument depends on it: cancelling a project does not cancel the demand the contract was written against, so that demand reappears elsewhere in the system.
- Stranded cost
- Money already sunk into an asset that a change in policy makes unrecoverable. His examples are wind projects cancelled when nearly finished and the pipeline capital he says came back out of the ground.
- Spodumene
- The hard-rock ore that lithium is extracted from. The distinction between mining the ore and processing it into usable material matters to his argument, because he says this deposit would be processed on site while other supply chains would still require sending material abroad.
05Details worth keeping
- He rejects the idea that retirement made him outspoken, pointing to challenging a two-term Republican incumbent for his first legislative seat and being treated as a leper for it. What changed, he says, is only that he no longer runs a cost-benefit on his words against a future debate or attack ad.
- He describes himself as unabashedly conservative and says he is beginning to wonder whether he is still a Republican, given what he sees as the party’s diminished commitment to markets.
- He wants government out of the business of business: lean government, markets driving outcomes, and a government whose role is to keep them fair. He compares the current posture, including micromanagement through tariffs, to the Hoover administration, and contrasts it with a first Trump administration he remembers as more laissez-faire.
- He did artificial intelligence research at Wang Laboratories in Boston in 1986, when the field meant pattern recognition and voice-to-text, and recalls the same displacement worry attaching to optical character recognition and typists.
- On jobs he calls an AI-funded pool to pay displaced workers absurd, says the accounting firms would be out of their minds not to have automated brute-force analysis already, and advises displaced analysts to specialize in formulating the questions, since they already hold the underlying domain knowledge. He adds that he thinks there are a good ten or fifteen years before the robots start eating everybody.
- He credits the North Carolina standard with laying the groundwork for a successful solar industry and a record of low commercial and industrial rates, while noting that in Washington anyone claiming credit for something usually had little to do with it.
- He names NC State, which works across generation, transmission, distribution and efficiency, as an example of the kind of institution an incubator model would run through.
- His parting advice to colleagues: do not let the place trick you into thinking what you do is who you are, remember why you were elected, and do not worry about threats, because it is just another job.
06Claims worth citing
All figures as stated on 2026-08-04, by a sitting senator serving out his term. The legislative calendar figures in particular are tied to the moment of recording.
- Eleven years in the Senate, eight years in the state legislature, four of them as speaker. Tillis
- Wind projects have been cancelled at 70, 80 or 90 percent complete. Tillis
- The cancellation of the pipeline he names only as XL, which he attributes to Biden, took about two billion dollars of capital out of the ground. Tillis
- Some electricity rates have spiked because the administration took generation assets offline. He scopes this to “some of these rates” and attaches no figures or region. Tillis
- A lithium spodumene deposit about forty-five minutes outside Charlotte is one of the largest in North America, has permits, and is not economic at current prices; it would be processed on site. Tillis
- The host says a manufacturing production credit covering lithium, which he names only by its tax code section number, arrived in the same period that China pushed lithium prices down and made emerging projects less economic. Tillis confirms that is exactly the position of the North Carolina project. Johnson, confirmed by Tillis
- This Congress has 172 days left, of which fewer than 55 are scheduled legislative days. Tillis
- He was the lone vote last year, one against ninety-nine, for a moratorium on state-level AI regulation pending a national framework, and says he expected the bill’s sponsor Ted Cruz to vote for it. Tillis
- Several dozen states are now regulating “this,” which in the sentence before is data privacy and data breach, and he says they will go on to do the same thing to AI. The referent is loose and the AI half is future tense, so this is not a count of states regulating AI today. Tillis
- The federal government holds equity stakes in about ten publicly traded corporations and a golden share in US Steel. Tillis
- He places the renewable portfolio standard negotiation around 2007, and dates North Carolina’s run inconsistently in the same sentence, as ten years from 2011 to the present and then as fifteen years. Tillis
- Natural gas is a fraction of the carbon footprint of other hydrocarbons and should be part of a transition that ultimately reaches a fully renewable portfolio. Offered as the position he argued at the time and still holds. Tillis
07Where it’s contested
This episode has real disagreement in it, but not between the two people in the room. Tillis argues against his own party, the administration he voted for, and environmental advocates in turn, while the host agrees explicitly at several points and never pushes back.
- The monologue is sharper than the guest. It says America’s greatest obstacle is not a lack of technology or capital but an inability to build durable policy. Tillis’s own account includes a physical shortfall he takes seriously: a generation deficit, a grid that could not carry the load even if the generation existed, and a request for state or federal money to fund next-generation transmission research. He treats the policy stalemate as what blocks addressing the physical problem, not as a replacement for it.
- His position on solar subsidies has two halves and only one is quotable. He favors a sunset and says he was already persuadable on ramping the credit down. What he objects to is the speed and the retroactive damage to projects already underway. A note that made him a defender of the credits would be wrong.
- The show notes list nuclear among the technologies he endorses. Nuclear does not come up anywhere in the conversation.
- The populism claim goes untested. He attributes the modern form of it to Obama and to social media, and nobody asks how that reading squares with his own party’s trajectory or with his description of the current administration.
- The near-shoring proposal goes unexamined. Which countries, what prevents a partner being captured by the same pressures, and how the arrangement differs from the one that hollowed out American manufacturing are all left open.
- So does the AI certification idea. Who would run the standards body, what happens to a firm that declines to be certified, and whether a voluntary seal addresses the harms driving state legislation are not asked.
- Transcript instability that bears on the note. He gives two dates for the same announcement, June 29 and July 29 of last year. One clause about allowing “a modicum” of something is garbled past recovery. And his line about an industry of “copywriting questions” is followed by “almost copyrightable,” so the rendering is unreliable there; the sense is clearly about formulating questions well enough to be distinctive.
- He is describing his own record. The renewable portfolio standard, the lithium permits and the resilient-grid ambition are all his own achievements and unrealized plans, and nobody supplies a check on them. He flags the general risk himself, observing that in Washington anyone who says they did something usually did not.